Liz Stokoe podcast

012: Liz Stokoe on science and art of conversation

In this episode I interview Professor Liz Stokoe, while we were both speaking at Cheltenham Science Festival. Liz is a Professor of Social Interaction at Loughborough University, specialising in conversational analysis. Liz shares her insights into the dynamics of conversation, some of the aggressive moves people make and how to manage these situations and what we can learn from delicate exchanges such as marriage guidance mediators and suicide negotiators. I really enjoyed this interview and found it utterly fascinating to hear Liz’s insights and advice.

Episode #12
1:30 The future of human communication
2:17 The forensic examination of conversational encounters
4:30 ‘Mis-greeters’ and ‘recalibrating’ initial greetings
6:15 Liz’s route to conversational analysis
7:05 Liz’s PhD – an analysis of university tutorials. Students reluctant to show they worked hard, cool to not prepare but actually working very hard
8:10 Myth busting – Gender and interaction. Zero evidence that women and men talk differently in systematic ways
11:00 Identity categories such as gender, sexuality, ethnicity, age etc stereotype and narrow conversational focus, anything can be turned into an aspect of your identity which limits and reinforces stereotypes
12:30 The concept of coaching differently because of gender
14:00 ‘Recipient design’ – the monitoring of a conversation recipient to see if ideas are landing via body language, fractional delays in responses etc
16:07 ‘First movers’ – challenging greetings. For example, “Where’ve you been?” as a mis-greeting
19:07 Dealing with a first mover! Recalibrating the conversation and socializing
21:00 Conflict is good, it is important to be able to challenge
21:34 Responding under pressure – suicide negotiators. Live conversation analysis in a real-life, lifesaving setting
25:40 Conversational Analytic Roleplay Method (CARM) – real conversation from real encounters paused…what would you do next? Learning through the expertise of others
26:00 What actually works in a real-life, live encounter, rather than roleplaying guidelines
27:30 The problems with traditional roleplay
29:57 Mediators for relationship management. Explaining a process rather than philosophy. Are you willing…? Willing works! Single words can change the outcome of a conversation either positively or negatively
34:45 Subtle changes in language create different outcomes ‘Let’s get things sorted out’ rather than ‘I can help’
36:31 The field of conversational analysis in the future
37:40 Sports coaching – tennis parents and kids. The conversations between parent and child at the beginning, middle and end of a competition

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